excel - How to get full height and width of range, including borders? -

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i can't seem find answer anywhere.

in vba, given dim r range: set r = range("c20:c21") can r.height , r.width, former combined height of cells c20 , c21 doesn't include size of borders in between them.

is there reliable method of obtaining full combined height , width (e.g.: height , width of cells + size of borders in between cells) ?

thanks.

i think calculation should 

testcb.top = testcb.top + ((r.height - testcb.height) / 2))

or rather (not sure version means)

testcb.top = r.top + ((r.height - testcb.height) / 2))

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